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Hey and welcome again to Fairness, a podcast in regards to the enterprise of startups, the place we unpack the numbers and nuance behind the headlines.

That is our interview present, the place we sit down with a visitor, take into consideration their work, and unpack the remainder. This week, Mary Ann interviewed Roger Lee, an entrepreneur who’s spent the higher a part of a decade constructing instruments for workers and employers alike. Lee is an angel investor as effectively the creator of Layoffs.FYI and co-founder of Complete and Human Curiosity.

Roger joined us on the present final yr within the wake of 2022’s tech layoffs, however this week we’re specializing in the enterprise of shutting down and why traders are lining as much as again startups within the house, together with Roger.

We additionally talked about:

• Simply what number of extra firms shut down in 2023 in comparison with 2022 (spoiler alert, it was so much!)
• What number of extra layoffs we noticed final yr in comparison with years prior
• The forms of firms winding down and shedding
• How his work is tied to all of it and the function of AI

Fairness can be again on Monday for our weekly kick-off present, however don’t neglect to maintain up with us within the meantime on X and Threads @EquityPod.